Date: Mon Nov 29 1993 17:07:40 From: Daniel Lyke To: All Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: sent PUBNET ------------------------------- The response of those I've talked with regarding the public network has ranged from "Wonderful, now I can have an address with an '@' in it" to "Gee, we could do most of that with a large BBS". I think that a Chattanooga public network can be something much greater than either of these. It is obvious from various conversations that not all of us agree with what we want to get out of such a system. How about generating two lists, one which lists the services currently available on the internet, the other giving what we'd like to see in a local network. List #1: Internet services, first pass. 1. Usenet newsgroups 2. Interchangeable E-Mail, address with an '@' 3. access to ftp sights 4. gopher 5. telnet to MUDs 6. other telnet services (someone more knowledgeable add to this, please!) List #2: Wish list. This is an example and may not correspond with reality 1. run telnet from my local machine 2. run ftp from my local machine 3. run a gopher client from my local machine 4. run a gopher server from my local machine 5. run my own MUD 6. run my own ftp sight (well, I'm a couple gig short on disk space) Comments: 1. If I can get access to UUCP software I can get standard E-Mail accounts to my local machine for < $100 setup with a small monthly cost according to volume. Therefore this shouldn't be a primary function of the system. 2. Planet Connect is broadcasting newsgroups, and we _might_ actually be able to get the text from Ozz. See above. 3. I'd like to see something set up under the auspices of the local government to provide us with press releases, meeting minutes, and other public access information that the local government has in electronic form. 4. A good network would allow the number of dialup lines to be independent from the virtual connections to the given machines. Therefore good planning and a reasonable O/S should allow access to as many lines as dialups are available and tasks can be run on the O/S. This would mean that large costs for access to public data would be a thin excuse. 5. It would be nice to find a way for minimal cost (computer dedicated dial-up or ISDN line + some monthly charge) to have personal systems be on the other side of such a network. Thus, as above, I should be able to find a way to set up a lot of virtual sessions on my machine that lets me run users to the limits of their patience and the existence of dial-up lines (obviously higher charges would result from tying up the system). Dan --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: The Society Of Independent People (1:362/1203) Date: Tue Nov 30 1993 23:06:04 From: Robert Wilson To: Daniel Lyke Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: recvd PUBNET ------------------------------- If I grokked this message correctly, Daniel Lyke said: DL> The response of those I've talked with regarding the public network DL> has ranged from "Wonderful, now I can have an address with an '@' in DL> it" to "Gee, we could do most of that with a large BBS". A large BBS would work for this community (probably) but we are talking about the world community. DL> I think that a Chattanooga public network can be something much DL> greater than either of these. It is obvious from various conversations DL> that not all of us agree with what we want to get out of such a DL> system. How about generating two lists, one which lists the services DL> currently available on the internet, the other giving what we'd like DL> to see in a local network. DL> DL> List #1: Internet services, first pass. DL> DL> 1. Usenet newsgroups DL> 2. Interchangeable E-Mail, address with an '@' DL> 3. access to ftp sights DL> 4. gopher DL> 5. telnet to MUDs DL> 6. other telnet services (someone more knowledgeable add to this, DL> please!) 7. World Wide Web 8. BITNET lists and Internet Digests 9. Mosaic (or whatever the NCSA program is). DL> List #2: Wish list. This is an example and may not correspond with DL> reality DL> DL> 1. run telnet from my local machine DL> 2. run ftp from my local machine DL> 3. run a gopher client from my local machine DL> 4. run a gopher server from my local machine DL> 5. run my own MUD DL> 6. run my own ftp sight (well, I'm a couple gig short on disk space) These are all possible with SLIP or PPP links. We could setup an IP based system not connected to the Internet at this time which would provide IP based services locally. DL> Comments: 1. If I can get access to UUCP software I can get standard DL> E-Mail accounts to my local machine for < $100 setup with a small DL> monthly cost according to volume. Therefore this shouldn't be a DL> primary function of the system. It would be cool to have a mail gateway locally to the Internet for the existing Fidonet system (at least until the real thing is available). DL> 2. Planet Connect is broadcasting newsgroups, and we _might_ actually DL> be able to get the text from Ozz. See above. Hoping to see these too! DL> 3. I'd like to see something set up under the auspices of the local DL> government to provide us with press releases, meeting minutes, and DL> other public access information that the local government has in DL> electronic form. I received names from a couple people at TVA today. Greg has the names and we will contact them. I think Philip is working on the local government stuff. DL> 4. A good network would allow the number of dialup lines to be DL> independent from the virtual connections to the given machines. DL> Therefore good planning and a reasonable O/S should allow access to as DL> many lines as dialups are available and tasks can be run on the O/S. DL> This would mean that large costs for access to public data would be a DL> thin excuse. Sure. We also want the world (read Internet) to have access to our data as well (dialups note necessary). DL> 5. It would be nice to find a way for minimal cost (computer dedicated DL> dial-up or ISDN line + some monthly charge) to have personal systems DL> be on the other side of such a network. Thus, as above, I should be DL> able to find a way to set up a lot of virtual sessions on my machine DL> that lets me run users to the limits of their patience and the DL> existence of dial-up lines (obviously higher charges would result from DL> tying up the system). If someone is willing to pay for the ISDN stuff, I would be willing to test this on my system :-) Robert --- MacWoof 1.5.3 * Origin: "If it ain't broke... BREAK IT" (1:362/122.1@fidonet.org) Date: Wed Dec 01 1993 06:42:34 From: Daniel Lyke To: Robert Wilson Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- DL> The response of those I've talked with regarding the public DL> network has ranged from "Wonderful, now I can have an DL> address with an '@' in it" to "Gee, we could do most of that DL> with a large BBS". RW> A large BBS would work for this community (probably) but we are RW> talking about the world community. I think it has to go beyond a BBS, but the specifics escape me, which is why I'm asking. For one thing, the BBS packages I've seen don't have PPP and SLIP capabilities out to the user, they run as a terminal to that session which you see echoed on your machine (TBBS). DL> List #1: Internet services, first pass. RW> 7. World Wide Web By this do you mean the fact that it's connected to _everything_, or does the capitalization mean something special. RW> 9. Mosaic (or whatever the NCSA program is). You're beyond me. Elaborate, please! RW> These are all possible with SLIP or PPP links. We could setup an RW> IP based system not connected to the Internet at this time which RW> would provide IP based services locally. RW> It would be cool to have a mail gateway locally to the Internet RW> for the existing Fidonet system (at least until the real thing is RW> available). Talk to me about UUCP gates. I've seen a couple of packages at Austin Code Works and such, but I'm reluctant to just order something without more knowledge. DL> 2. Planet Connect is broadcasting newsgroups, and we DL> _might_ actually be able to get the text from Ozz. See DL> above. RW> Hoping to see these too! The Planet Connect echo (I read it over on 362/1210( indicates that they're still in test mode on these. Depending upon the costs of greater connects, this may actually be the cheapest way to get the newsgroups in. --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: The Society Of Independent People (1:362/1203) Date: Wed Dec 01 1993 22:25:54 From: Greg Laudeman To: all Subj: PubNet outline Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- The following is an outline of some considerations for deploying a computer-based community information system Objective: To create a nice, if virtual, space in which folks can communicate and share information more effectively, efficiently and effectively. What Shedules Databases E-mail Transcripts Catalogs News Press releases Minutes of meetings Classifieds/bulletin board Profiles Conferences Reviews Maps Who Anyone with a desire or need to share information Governments Schools Libraries Social services Commercial services & advertising Individuals Health care Media How Technologies Bulletin board/host Freenet NOS remote access Equipment Server box Communication server or modems Storage devices Telephone lines Services Account management Security File management Application support Messaging Access Personal computer/modem Institutional (mini/mainframe) Kiosks Public terminals Internet Costs Start-up Equipment Personnel Rent Power Telecommunications Software Administration Marketing & education Revenue Grants Sponsorship Membership Usage fees Services --- MacWoof Eval:29Oct93 * Origin: Over under around and through (1:362/122.48@fidonet) Date: Wed Dec 01 1993 20:55:14 From: Larry Burton To: Daniel Lyke Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: recvd PUBNET ------------------------------- Dan, I've got a few "dumb" questions. DL> 2. Interchangeable E-Mail, address with an '@' Is the advantage to the address with an '@' being that it can be gated to other networks through the Internet or is there another advantage that I'm missing? DL> 3. access to ftp sights Are all ftp sites on the internet or are we talking ftp sites strictly on PubNet? DL> 5. telnet to MUDs MUDs? DL> List #2: Wish list. This is an example and may not correspond with reality DL> 5. run my own MUD MUD? DL> Comments: DL> 2. Planet Connect is broadcasting newsgroups, and we _might_ actually be DL> able to get the text from Ozz. See above. This may really be a dumb question but I know Ozz is pulling in a tremendous amount of mail and files right now. Does he have the capacity to add newsgroups to this load? DL> -+- msgedsq 2.1a Weren't you going to switch over to GoldED? ;) Larry --- GoldED 2.41 * Origin: On The Edge of Understanding, Dallas Bay, TN (1:362/101.27) Date: Thu Dec 02 1993 00:20:52 From: Philip Luckey To: All Subj: indices for everyone Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- well, I've made progress on organizing my files to some extent... ...and one result is that I've indexed some of the Community-Communication-related documents. As Robert & Greg & Gonzo mentioned on Sunday at one point or another, "it's a good thing to know things" (or something along those lines). I've followed the suggestion of creating Digests for these files, ZIPping them up, and uploading them (along with descriptions). I figure that once they get transferred to the download area, I can circulate these Digest Descriptions through various echoes (CMUG, KASTLE, etc.?), so that others know that they are available as an information resource (will help cut back on Binder Grief, as well). I'm sure that I'm not so familiar with FREQing files in a context other than mine (as a direct MacChatter point using MacWoof), and I'd like to hear if this is a feasible approach for access to these materials. back to sleep, -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Thu Dec 02 1993 00:34:34 From: Philip Luckey To: All Subj: VSAT update Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- oh yes, I spoke with Mark Tietce from PBS today; he's the director of PBS's VSAT Program. He described the use of VSATs (Very Small Aperture Terminals) as a wonderful complement to a system of distributed servers, with VSAT as the backbone medium. The technology has matured, according to Mark, and can serve as a smooth replacement to leased lines, and, in fact, is the route of choice when dealing with rural communities. Of course, *something* has to be leased, and in VSAT-land that would be satellite space. For PBS, they already have satellite space anyway (increasing soon with Telstar-401), so anything else (like VSATs, DBS, etc.) for them is gravy. He was impressed with the southern states that have embraced VSAT solutions: Georgia, Florida, Louisiana...(oh, but not Tennessee, eh?); just as a guess (Philip talking here) there may remain the possibility of "time-sharing" with, ummm, like-minded organizations that border our community. (I believe that Bix Doughty is the guy in charge of Georgia Public TV's Learning Link statewide communication network; I'd like to know more about their plans Down South). Mark is sending some literature our way, and has put me in touch with Harry George at Hughes Telecom Systems (da big guys) for VSAT specifications & services. -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Thu Dec 02 1993 01:25:24 From: Philip Luckey To: David Wiley Subj: Community Service Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- DW> The Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) is soliciting proposals DW> to develop community wide education and information services. Public DW> TV and radio stations are invited to submit proposals in cooperation DW> with local government or other cultural or ediucational institutions. DW> CPB is expected to fund from six to ten proposals for a total DW> commitment not to exceed $800,000. Deadline is 5:00 PM EST 19 DW> January. Yes, it *is* a nice Request for Proposals. I'll upload the text version tomorrow if I get a chance. As it happens, I met the originator of this grant (Michael Strait from the CPB) at a PBS Conference in Atlanta back in September; we had a wonderful chat about community communication and have been exchanging email ever-so-often. The CPB grant can be made to either public TV or public radio stations that have a "plan" and a "partnership" with the community itself... ...and it *has* been a good incentive to "get things in gear". The proposal itself falls into the realm of "comprehensive documents," in terms of addressing the various levels affected by community-wide, community-based, community-focused communication. Our working outline (as evidenced by Greg's latest offering) may stand us in good stead as a reference for grant proposals, including this CPB offering. -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Thu Dec 02 1993 07:22:10 From: Daniel Lyke To: Larry Burton Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- DL> 2. Interchangeable E-Mail, address with an '@' LB> Is the advantage to the address with an '@' being that it can be LB> gated to other networks through the Internet or is there another LB> advantage that I'm missing? That everybody's got one. Further, that the users have them. You and I (and most other participants on this conference) both have addresses that anyone on Fido can send to, but mail between other users of the Fido network is not so easy, If I send a message to a user I see on an echo, chances are good that its sysop will have to forward that message into a semi-private area that may or may not get read. DL> 3. access to ftp sights LB> Are all ftp sites on the internet or are we talking ftp sites LB> strictly on PubNet? I was thinking on Internet. DL> 5. telnet to MUDs LB> MUDs? DL>... LB> MUD? Hoooboy... Stands for "Multi-User Dungeon". They started out as multi-user Adventure/Zork style games, but people realized that users were as interested in interacting with each other in the virtual environment as they were in playing the game. As things progressed, the systems were expanded in order to let users extend the environment. Now, several organizations are holding conferences in them because they give a framework and metaphor for people to interact in; breaking off into groups is as easy as moving with those who want to into another room, etc. I'll have to drop some hardcopy literature on you from my library; remind me about the Intertek issue on Virtual Communities and a couple of issues of Wired. DL> 2. Planet Connect is broadcasting newsgroups, and we _might_ DL> actually be able to get the text from Ozz. See above. LB> This may really be a dumb question but I know Ozz is pulling in a LB> tremendous amount of mail and files right now. Does he have the LB> capacity to add newsgroups to this load? "Ozz claims..." I've learned to take everything Ozz says can happen with a grain of salt, but hard drives are a buck a meg, and I don't think he's short on outbound bandwidth as much as processor power. He can probably make enough off of newsgroups to get more of that. If nothing else, he only paid $500-700 for that system. LB> Weren't you going to switch over to GoldED? ;) Eventually... Dan --- msgedsq 2.1a * Origin: The Society Of Independent People (1:362/1203) Date: Fri Dec 03 1993 19:52:54 From: Greg Laudeman To: Philip Luckey Subj: Something of substance Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- One of Robert & my compatriots at TVA put us in touch with Dave Crockett (the City Councilperson, not the frontiersman). According to our compatriot, Dave is very technologically literate (he used to work for IBM, does that qualify) and a mover and shaker behind the Enviro City initiatives. It would be possible to get into see him later this month, but in the meantime can we send in some collateral material? Maybe a concise version of the infamous binders? I am also planning to contact Oscar Brock at the Chamber (I worked with him at Desktop Solutions, et. al. a few years ago). He is both technologically literate and interested in the civic implications. It might also be a good idea to ID civic orgs, Jaycees, Jr. League, Kiwanis, Friends of the Library, Ladies Auxilliary of the Effervescent Beagles, etc., and blanket them with presentations. Also we should do the same for arts/culture orgs; they have lots of info on grants. --- MacWoof Eval:29Oct93 * Origin: Over under around and through (1:362/122.48@fidonet) Date: Thu Dec 02 1993 21:59:16 From: Robert Wilson To: Daniel Lyke Subj: A call for goals clarification Attr: recvd PUBNET ------------------------------- If I grokked this message correctly, Daniel Lyke said: RW> 9. Mosaic (or whatever the NCSA program is). RW> DL> You're beyond me. Elaborate, DL> please! I FTP'ed a postscript document which describes Mosaic. Basically, it is a GUI interface (X-Windows, Mac, and Windows) which provides Hypertext links between documents anywhere on the Internet and much, much more. Let me quote the abstract: "We describe a networked information system for wide-area distributed asynchronous collaboration and hypermedia-based information discovery and retrieval currently being designed and built at NCSA. The system, called NCSA Mosaic, integrates cleanly into existing network protocols, formats, data sources and environments, and provides powerful new capabilities for using and sharing information." The following is a list of features of the first version of Mosaic: o Graphical display of plain text, rich (formatted) text, and hypertext, as well as inlined access to graphs, images, audio clips, video sequences, and scientific data in multimedia and hypermedia documents o An intelligent graphical user interface featuring on-the-fly font and style selection, cut-and-paste support for formatted text, and extensive customization and user support options. o Information space navigation and history-tracking facilities, including persistent global history mechanisms. o Support for "hotlists" of interesting documents that can be monitored for changes over time. o In-document and network-based search capabilities, including those capabilties required to access WAIS [Wide Area Information Services] databases. o Preliminary asynchronous collaboration capabilities, including text and voice annotations for documents located anywhere on the network. o Full TCP/IP-based communications support, including native HTTP, Gopher, FTP, and NNTP protocol support, and gatewayed access to WAIS, Techinfo, TeXinfo, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, X.500, Whois, and other data sources. o NCSA Data Transfer Mechanism communications support, for integration wish NCSA Collage and other network-based DTM clients and information servers. o NCSA Data Management Facility communications support for exploring and retrieving data stored in CMF databases and directory servers. The initial versions of this package runs on X-Windows and the Macintosh with a Windows version started in mid summer. This looks really cool. I am gonna download the client piece and check it out. Unfortunately, the security system at TVA is limited to Telnet and FTP type functions, therefore I won't be able to test it there. Maybe I could bum a Mac or Sun at UTC for a few minutes. I'll try to get the printed version of this document to you (and to the Binder Man!) soon. Robert --- MacWoof 1.5.3 * Origin: "If it ain't broke... BREAK IT" (1:362/122.1@fidonet.org) Date: Fri Dec 03 1993 01:37:44 From: Philip Luckey To: Larry Burton Subj: A CALL FOR GOALS CLARIFICATION Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- LB> reliability is a concern. That may be something else we need to look LB> at. All of us are in this as a hobby. The goals I'm hearing for LB> PubNet are not going to be attained by treating this as a hobby. How LB> serious are we in implementing this? Are we willing to commit the LB> time and resources to making this work or will it become a bore after LB> a while and some of us decide not to play anymore? If grant money is LB> accepted a commitment will be made. Though I often confuse my distinctions betwixt hobby and real occupation , to me this Community Communication Network has the potential for a going concern which could meet whatever level of participation that people want to find in it. I think it's inclusive enough to include hobbyists, volunteers, and part-timers as well as a core staff, full-timers, and so on. Reliability is a real concern, and it would seem most likely through a combination of resources (i.e., working together, planning, maintenance, prevention, contingencies, etc.). (Doesn't this sound like using a network model *for* a network model?) :-> -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Fri Dec 03 1993 01:51:02 From: Philip Luckey To: Greg Laudeman Subj: Hi, ho PubNet! Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- GL> Seriously, folks...If we are to apply for the CPB grant that David and GL> Philip have identified we need to pursue this thing (uh, pubnet) GL> rather aggressively. I would like to suggest that we set some specific GL> goals, identify tasks and the critical path to creating the pubnet. Well, at least "PubNet" is shorter than "Community Communication Network". Is it time for an acronym yet (umm, CHRIS for Chattanooga-Hamilton county Regional Information Service)? I reckon what you're saying is we need a schedule (not to mention snazzy GANTT/PERT charts). As in deadlines. Sounds good. Backtiming for the CPB RFP (Corp. for Public Broadcasting Request for Proposals) would aid our venture. Time to look at our calendars, eh? GL> 1. Carry on dialog to better define the pubnet, what it should GL> accomplish and how it might be implemented. Agreed! I like the idea of having as many inputs as possible. Perhaps a series of facilitated group brainstorming sessions (modeled after the Vision2000 style of open discussion)? GL> 2. Compile a "business plan" for the pubnet. Not to suggest that this GL> will be a commercial project, but a business plan is a well accepted GL> document. Any serious sponsor/investor will not give us a half a GL> second without a clear, concise document for our enterprise. Yah, an overall plan is key...especially one that takes into account both "potential" and "fairly-solid" futures. GL> 3. GL> Identify political/economic resources that would be beneficial for GL> realizing the pubnet, and develop a campaign to "sell" the pubnet to GL> these key resources. True, and including as many strata as possible within our "target audience" for "momentuous accumulation". -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Fri Dec 03 1993 02:00:34 From: Philip Luckey To: Greg Laudeman Subj: Something of substance Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- GL> One of Robert & my compatriots at TVA put us in touch with Dave GL> Crockett (the City Councilperson, not the frontiersman). I've seen Councilman Crockett in action on the Council and his involvement in environmental concerns; I think you're right that he would have a technological grasp of our intentions and the corresponding implications for the City. GL> I am also planning to contact Oscar Brock at the Chamber (I worked GL> with him at Desktop Solutions, et. al. a few years ago). He is both GL> technologically literate and interested in the civic implications. A couple weeks ago while visiting Desktop I chatted with Bill Brock about The Big Picture in broad terms -- left him a copy of the Center for Civic Networking's Vision document. The Brock Connection also extends to Covenant College; though I did see Frank Brock (and Krue) last week up on Lookout, I was busy and didn't have a chance to launch into my tirade . (yes it's hard to believe) GL> It might also be a good idea to ID civic orgs, Jaycees, Jr. League, GL> Kiwanis, Friends of the Library, Ladies Auxilliary of the Effervescent GL> Beagles, etc., and blanket them with presentations. Also we should do GL> the same for arts/culture orgs; they have lots of info on grants. FWIW, I did begin a TouchBase Pro file on potential partnering organizations and other contacts a while back ... it's up to around 150 entries so far with gaps here and there. It might be helpful to consolidate our contacts somehow. It's always nice when somebody "knows somebody who...", and the cross-references would help save time and effort. :-) -Philip. --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. (1:362/122.25@fidonet) Date: Sat Dec 04 1993 13:47:52 From: David Wiley To: Philip Luckey, et al Subj: Hi, ho PubNet! Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- Philip: Saturday afternoon, and I have been reading through two day's worth of posts on Pubnet. Three points: 1) Are we (we meaning everone within cyberreach here) going to start with a new organization OR are we to bring an existing institution into it? Already several have been identified, but it seems to me that The Greater Chattanooga Public Television Corportation (the controlling board of WTCI) would be a strong candidate because public televison in general must move beyond its present function if it is to survive. At bottom that is the very reason for the offer of grants by CPB. What would be the reception to the idea be? 2) It seems to me that the present conversation on this echo points to an existing organization with macro computing capability and an existing staff, rather than starting from scratch. A track record of a stable organization rather than a brand-new one may better attract grant support. 3) On the other hand existing organizations carry with them an enormous amount of inertia and bureaucratic fiddle-faddle that will have to be overcome. 4) I think speed is in order, for I fear some entity will get into the game and effectively preempt and limit the type of inclusivness and lack of commercial motivation that I think everyone wishes --- MacWoof 1.5.3 * Origin: (1:362/122.24@fidonet) Date: Sun Dec 05 1993 15:46:24 From: Mike Harrison To: David Wiley Subj: Re: HI, HO PUBNET! Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- > that The Greater Chattanooga Public Television Corportation (the > controlling board of WTCI) would be a strong candidate because > public televison in general must move beyond its present function if > it is to survive. At bottom that is the very reason for the offer I very much agree that public TV will have to move beyond it's present function in order to survive. Theoretically, it is a good place to start. You face several challenges here though: Funds, Management by Committee, Ability to deal with a rapidly changing technological environment with a staff that may not be technically competent in this arena. (yes, some are...). If it is a true "public net" and a free community service, then it would be the most logical place to start such a thing. > a stable organization rather than a brand-new one may better attract > grant support. Assuming you want GRANT SUPPORT $$$$, Then you have MUCH better chances with an existing non-profit organization based from a college/university than a startup organization. > enormous amount of inertia and bureaucratic fiddle-faddle that will > have to be overcome. AGREED. I have also learned that academia works in timeframes of MONTHS not DAYS or WEEKS. > 4) I think speed is in order, for I fear some entity will get into > the game and effectively preempt and limit the type of inclusivness Unfortunately, I feel you may be talking about 'US'. And I have to agree. --Mike-- --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: Higher Technology: 8*14.4k at 615-875-9969 (1:362/1211) Date: Sun Dec 12 1993 14:03:36 From: Philip Luckey To: All Subj: Extended "whats" Attr: PUBNET ------------------------------- Believe you me, I'll be glad when the pledge drive is over . Anyhow, here are some ideas for "what" a community communication network might "connect". Granted, some are more feasible than others, but it's a thought. . . . . . Library Chattanooga/Hamilton County Public UTC CSTCC City/County Schools Library of Congress Government Chattanooga City Agencies Zoning District Representation Council Minutes Hamilton County County Agencies Zoning District Representation Commission Minutes Tennessee State Agencies District Representation Legislative Minutes Federal Federal Agencies Tennessee Valley Authority Congressional Representation Presidential Administration Justice Department Information Health/Fitness Hospitals Public Health Service Fitness Information Support Groups Chattanooga CARES Alzheimers Support Group Money Banks Mortgage/Loan Calculators Budgeting Information Credit Information Arts Chattanooga Symphony & Opera Association Dance Theatre Workshop Little Theatre Tivoli/Memorial Auditorium Schedule Hunter Museum of Art COPAC Arts & Education Council Allied Arts Calendar Association of Visual Artists Forum Poetry Forum Southern Literature Forum Shaking Ray Levi Society History Chickamauga & Chattanooga National Military Park Bessie Smith Hall & African-American Museum Chattanooga Regional History Museum Community Timeline Local Genealogy Local Folklore Local History Volunteer Volunteer Center Calendar Volunteer Needs & Resources Guidelines Road Directions Chattanooga Attractions Tennessee Aquarium Hamilton County Attractions Regional Attractions Tennessee Attractions North Georgia Attractions North Alabama Attractions Education Elementary & Secondary Schools Chattanooga City Schools Hamilton County Schools Private Schools Colleges & Universities UT-Chattanooga Admissions Registration Class Schedule Center for Excellence in Computer Applications Department of Engineering Department of Education Distance Learning Continuing Education CSTCC Admissions Registration Class Schedule Rural Networking Project Distance Learning Environmental Sciences Conferencing and Seminars Southern College Lee College Tennessee Temple University Learning MathLine WriteLine Learning Link Tutor Network READ Communication Television General Schedule WTCI Forum TV Schedule Press Releases Volunteer Activities Calendar of Events Local Productions PBS Online WRCB Forum WTVC Forum WDEF Forum WDSI Forum WFLI Forum Chattanooga Cable Forum Public Access Forum Newspapers Chattanooga Times Chattanooga Free Press City Beat Brevis Chattanooga Business Journal Radio WSMC WUTC WAWL WUSY WSKZ WGOW Telephone Online Directory Postal Service Zip Code Directory Station Locations and Hours Information Email Individual access to: Community email Internet email Chattanooga Resources Chattanooga Venture Urban Design Studio Family & Children's Services Better Business Bureau RiverCity Chattanooga Downtown Partnership Chattanooga Convention and Visitors Bureau Private Industry Council Chattanooga Nature Center Air Pollution Control Board Special Interest Groups Chattanooga Macintosh Users Group Support Groups Commercial Interests Chattanooga Chamber of Commerce Information Forums Commercial Services (for fee) Guide for the Disabled Resources Support Groups Religious Organizations Churches Synagogues Information Study Groups --- MacWoof Eval:02Dec92 * Origin: Well, there is that. 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