For Profit Schools
2011-05-03 18:41:40.94959+00 by
Dan Lyke
8 comments
SFGate: For-profit colleges face lawsuits, U.S. scrutiny (talking specifically about the California Culinary Academy):
"This rate is a lie," the suit states in regards to the school's placement rate. "The placement statistics included non-professional entry level jobs like prep cooks, $8-$12 an hour line cooks and Starbucks baristas. That culinary degree was not a pre-requisite or even relevant for many of the included jobs."
I couldn't help but notice on our recent visit to Vancouver that Zack has himself a kickin' job cooking in a kitchen without a culinary degree.
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#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-13 21:04:47.986443+00 by:
ebradway
NPR has a lengthy interview with Daniel Golden from
Bloomberg News on the problems with for-profit schools. In a nut shell, the
schools have moved from Bachelor's completion programs for middle managers to an
attempt to do vocational or two-yeara degrees over the internet, marketed based
mostly on the ability to qualify for Federal student loans. The programs have huge
tuition bills (and resulting debt), overstated or unrealistic employement
expectations, and no support services to ensure students have half a chance to
actually finish. Of course, since the schools get paid up front through student
loans, they make profits even when students don't graduate. But the students still
get saddled with debt that cannot be discharged through bankruptcy.
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-05 11:08:01.784639+00 by:
Larry Burton
I think a recent article you pointed me to about a certain high school student
in your area proves that a degree in education sure isn't an indication of a
high degree of reading comprehension.
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-05 03:42:03.64257+00 by:
Dan Lyke
Not saying the correlation is negative, but it sure ain't 1.0.
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-04 19:39:58.197525+00 by:
ebradway
I have had strongly reaffirmed my belief that even a degree from an
accredited high profile university is no indication of critical thinking ability.
I'll try not to take that personally ;)
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-04 18:44:15.803984+00 by:
Dan Lyke
Absolutely. I believe that the lawsuit in question is about the school's representation that learning the techniques with their certification will lead to certain employment opportunities. I know at least one person who came out of CCA who thinks very highly of the education she got there.
I also believe that a CCA diploma and $5 will get you a latté.
Extending that out a little bit, in talking with various PhDs recently, I have had strongly reaffirmed my belief that even a degree from an accredited high profile university is no indication of critical thinking ability.
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-04 17:31:24.972627+00 by:
petronius
Yes, but to do you have to learn. Can a culinary school at least introduce you to the techniques. whether they offer a diploma or not?
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-04 03:55:02.449655+00 by:
ebradway
Related.
#Comment Re: made: 2011-05-04 02:32:43.293402+00 by:
meuon
Those whome actually -can- do something (that can be judged by others) don't need a degree to prove it.
