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On new virtual spaces

2014-09-25 21:03:17.513894+00 by Dan Lyke 5 comments

On Facebook, a friend asked if the rush to http://ello.co was an antipathy towards the existing social media. I responded:

I don't think it's simply antipathy: A friend of mine reported that his daughter said "Facebook is for people I know and don't like, Tumblr is for people I like but don't know". What drove many of us to BBSes, and then to the Internet, and then to blogs, and then to whatever's next is a drive to improve the quality of our social contacts. I got my Ello invite from an exclusive IRC channel where we've been talking about how to increase the number of quality participants, without some of the down sides of IRC.

Social spaces have entropy, and they stagnate. Many of us are constantly looking around for new ideas, new voices, new experiences, and even though deep nerds like me look to the new walled silo and cynically think "well, that socially liberal TOS will last until the next funding round", we also have this glimmer of hope that this time will be different. Or that in the months or years that this particular space shines, we'll get some of those endorphin experiences.

I still hope that we'll be able to pull the conversation around to something more like blogs: self-controlled, personal, and all that. But most people don't get the why (heck, some of the early bloggers whom I respect don't care about some of those issues of autonomy and control when weighed against low readership), so we keep latching on to this rising star or that one, hoping that this time someone will figure out how to give us something for free without selling us out.

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#Comment Re: On new virtual spaces made: 2014-09-26 04:45:54.569727+00 by: Jack William Bell

A friend popped up with an invite and I am trying ello out. It's a little odd and feels like a bastard love child of Twitter and Tumbler. And, right now, it also feels like talking into a vacuum. I haven't decided if I want to invite a bunch of people or not. I mean, it's really just another thing and most people are 'the devil I know.'

Still, I kind of hope it goes somewhere. I'd certainly be willing to give them a little money in exchange for some kind of commitment about my data being my own and not theirs.

In the meantime, I really need to post to my blog. :-(

#Comment Re: On new virtual spaces made: 2014-09-26 15:13:57.004973+00 by: Dan Lyke

I hate the interface, and the fact that it takes up so much whitespace that I can essentially see one update from a person at once.

And the thing about yet another data silo is that... Just because they bill the users for data doesn't also mean they can't bill nations for selling your network data to those states. If I'm going to be exposing tons about myself (which I do already), I want to do it in a way that's as open to everyone as possible, or pretty closed. The middle ground that Ello is claiming seems like a false self-righteousness.

#Comment Re: On new virtual spaces made: 2014-09-29 23:09:02.241194+00 by: meuon [edit history]

"open to everyone as possible, or pretty closed" - Which is why everything I post everywhere is fairly polite and mundane (by my standards) that I expect is seen by everyone. "Pretty closed" would have to be closed by people I truly trust to actually have it truly and properly closed, and there are not many of those.

What this means is I feel safer posting things on places like FetLife and DC423 than TwitFace*+ even though I have little to say in those places.

Seems when I do say what I really think about certain topics on Facebook, people unfollow me or send me some of the weirdest hate mail.

Flutterby.... I like to post weirder thoughts here, and even then, I'm not sure I have truly weird thoughts any more. Kinda set in my ways.

What I miss is a place to have an open discussion about anything, sometimes taking strange positions just to explore the idea, with people capable of having an intelligent conversation. I had a few hours with Dan in person last month, it was a lovely stream of pseudo-random thoughts afternoon.

Where can you have those, online? I've even considered an old-style BBS.. (via ssh)

#Comment Re: On new virtual spaces made: 2014-09-30 14:25:17.28221+00 by: Larry Burton

Meuon, the USPS offers a service that might fit your bill.

#Comment Re: On new virtual spaces made: 2014-10-01 12:58:32.72296+00 by: meuon

Actually, I think I have mail opened and inspected. This week I got a certified/registered envelope from Israel (http://startssl.com) and I think it had been opened and taped shut.

But maybe I'm just being paranoid.