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G8 violence

2001-07-24 14:30:53+00 by Dan Lyke 10 comments

A Monkeyfist article recounts the death of Carlo Giuliani, the "protester" killed at the Genoa G8 summit, with:

"Then, in a fit of excessive cruelty, the kind of excess that capitalism is best known by, the Carabinieri ran over his dead body with a heavy police vehicle."

Oh, please. If you've any doubts as to his intent, look at this sequence of photos: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 (which are also, albeit with a different slant, mirrored at Nausea Manifesto) and tell me that if you were an occupant of that vehicle, with busted out windows and people attempting to use a 2x8 as a battering ram against your head, and despite your brandished weapon, someone wearing a ski-mask came at you with a fire extinquisher, apparently hoping to throw it in the vehicle (and perhaps break the valve off in the process?), you'd have reacted with any more restraint. Only one policeman fired, and only two shots? Give those guys freakin' medals.

There are certainly enough injured policeman from those clashes that there was precedent about his intent, but his father assures us that "...he was a peaceful boy, never violent".

Yes, Joseph Stiglitz has fairly compelling and damning criticism of the World Bank and the IMF, but take a look at the results of the Genoa G8 summit. Looks like they'd be more likely to piss off economic conservatives than self-proclaimed socialists. So what's the fuss about, aside from a chance to blow off some adolescent steam in a way that will, at best, get a wrist slapping, rather than the full-on charges that participation in vandalism and assault would normally warrant?

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comments in ascending chronological order (reverse):

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:20+00 by: Pete

Why they backed over him (alternate angle photo):


#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:20+00 by: Dan Lyke

Thanks, that's even more obvious that they were blocked in. Granted, that's a tactical error that every cop I've ever seen park a car tries to avoid, but mistakes do happen.

In a follow-up to a Kur5hin take on the story, joegee pointed out:

Again I ask where this fellow's self-sacrificing comrades might be found, and why no one moved him from the path of the reversing jeep. There's a fellow in one photograph picking up stones, easily within shooting range of the policemen, but apparently he wouldn't consider picking up a fallen comrade.

This morning I checked the latest Salon whine, which started " The needless point-blank police shooting of a protester...". Um. Yeah. Didn't get past that paragraph.

No doubt there are some well meaning people protesting, and no doubt there's been some skullduggery on the part of the Italian police, and yes, the rest of the world views the US as programmers view Microsoft, although why that should bleed over into the G8 in general I've no idea, but anyone who represents this kid's death as anything other than suicide by proxy or autodarwination loses my attention really quickly.

Now if we can only get the Israeli military to act towards Palestinian protesters with a level of restraint similar to the Italian Police we might see Middle East peace.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:21+00 by: pharm

Regardless of the actions of this protester, I think it's a grave mistake to think that only the anachist elements in the protesters were guilty of mindless violence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/english/...d_1457000/1457920.stm#top.banner reports on the thuggery and mindless violence carried out by the authorities in Genoa. I don't think anyone comes out of this very well, and given the beatings handed out by the police to some of these people, there could easily have been deaths which would have been murder, unlike the one death which we did have, which I agree, could be regarded as self-defense.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:21+00 by: pharm

drat. Your URL detector seems to have gone awry Dan ;-)

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:22+00 by: Dan Lyke

Doh! I'll see about fixing it when I get home.

I'm getting no data from that URL above. I've seen some reports of police ransacking the computers of one of the organizations involved in the protests, and of police infiltrators apparently instigating some of the rioting, but I'm also trying to remember if I've seen those reports from any outlets that weren't also attempting to canonize Giuliani.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:22+00 by: pharm

There's an alternate set of stories linked from the front page of The Guardian detailing events in Genoa (http://www.guardian.co.uk/). The Economist this week had a good article on the whole debacle -- presumably it'll be on their website in a week or so. If you go to the bbc news page (http://news.bbc.co.uk) you should be able to find the Genoa stories fairly easily.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:22+00 by: pharm

Oh, and you probably get nothing from the url because the URL as written in your page is wrong; it conflated the word 'reports' onto the end of the URL for no obvious reason :) Try removing the string 'reports' from the end of the URL and see if that works...

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:22+00 by: Dan Lyke

The URL's not working for some other reason, 'cause nothing beyond the "#" is actually sent to the server (and I've checked with all the obvious variations), I get a perfectly reasonable header back, but no data in the document. I'll try to find it from the front page in a bit.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:22+00 by: Dan Lyke

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/engli...urope/newsid_1460000/1460036.stm did work for me.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:32:23+00 by: pharm

Oh, maybe I copied the URL for the wrong frame or something then...