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Another Bush Daughter

2002-01-29 19:50:20+00 by Dan Lyke 12 comments

While conservatives are lambasting Marin for its children, those whacky Bush children are just being kids. Via just another johnson, (which has worthwhile commentary and links) this time it's Jeb Bush's daughter busted for trying to buy Xanax with a forged prescription. Somewhere a bunch of Democrat spin meisters are saying "We got off easy with Roger and Billy!"

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comments in ascending chronological order (reverse):

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:52+00 by: Pete

Uh, are you really trying to equate scamming Xanax with terrorism against your own home?

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:52+00 by: Dan Lyke

Well, let's see: We've got one kid who took initiative, followed his dreams and convictions, and another who's going through life in a drunken stupor and is famous only because of her ancestral money.

While I disagree with John Walker Lindh's specific actions, I'd far rather have a society of kids who were empowered, rather than kids who were pissing away their lives.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:52+00 by: dexev

Now Pete,

I think the point is: conservatives get to attack liberals on moral grounds, but liberals aren't allowed to do the same to conservatives. Whenever a liberal has drug or family problems, they're portrayed as a moral degenerate. A conservative gets to have a "difficult time" or a "private family problem".

The other point is that conservatives are bit Just Say No'ers, until one of their own gets caught. I would wager that Gov. Jeb has either passed or pushed legislation that increases penalties for first-time drug offenders in his state.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:53+00 by: Dylan

Just another point here Pete...what happened to the Anglo-American sense of justice? This man did NOT commit acts of terrorism against his home. He did fight for the Taliban, but did he even fight against American troops?

I'm not saying I don't think this kid's not an asshole. I'm not saying I don't think he's incredibly stupid and naive. I'm not saying what he did wasn't wrong. But I'm getting damn tired of hearing about him committing "terrorism against his own home". He didn't. He was arrested on foreign soil fighting for a foreign army, which last I checked wasn't illegal. The fact that he was fighting our allies makes it sedition. Fighting against our forces directly would have been treason. None of those are the same thing as committing an act of terrorism on U.S. soil.

I understand that those who planned the acts against us are as guilty as the ones who carried them out, but does anyone honestly believe this ignorant little fuck PLANNED anything? Come now. If he'd been deeply involved in Al-Qaeda, at all trusted, don't you think they would have sent his lily white ass home to do some damage? I mean, GOD man, he's the perfect sleeper agent. The very fact that he was caught fighting with the Taliban tells me John Walker Lindh was a joke to Al-Qaeda, a wide-eyed zealous convert without a clue about the real business of terror. And the media is doing a damn good job of selling him as someone who was a real threat. He was being strung along in case they could find a good use for him...most likely as a hostage (ala Jeffrey Schilling in the Phillipines).

He should definitely be prosecuted, I don't dispute that in the least. I don't agree with some of the charges filed, and think others that weren't should have been.

As for the question of raising children? I agree with Dan. I'd rather risk raising a kid like Lindh than raise a robot who can't think for himself.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:53+00 by: Pete

We've got one kid who took initiative, followed his dreams and convictions, and another who's going through life in a drunken stupor and is famous only because of her ancestral money.

Take fame out, 'cuz I never heard of Noelle seeking fame. Both took initiative, so that can be removed without changing the balance. Add in that Johnny Taliban was described as being high on hash in some media accounts (no cite handy atm) and that he sponged off his parents, too.

Now how does Johnny come out smelling better than Noelle? It really does come down to equating terrorism against one's home with scamming Xanax.

#Comment made: 2002-01-29 22:03:35+00 by: Pete [edit history]

Dylan - If it'll make you feel better, go ahead and subsitute "volunteering to fight for terrorists and an oppressive theocratic regime."

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:53+00 by: Dan Lyke

Pete, at some point life comes down to "who would I rather spend an evening at a party with". As much as I may abhor Walker's politics, I'd bet at least he's got interesting stories. I mean, heck, I've had interesting party conversation with socialists, and they've got similar agendas about oppression and conformance. Anyone trying to scam Xanax is just taking up space. As users of recreational drugs go, I'd rather hang out with meth-heads.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:53+00 by: Dan Lyke

Sigh. Semi-retraction. I've thought about it a bit more, and I think you're right. There's a big difference between supporting oppressive regimes which eventually end up killing American soldiers yourself, and when your daddy does it.

What got me there was realizing that I wouldn't forgive Ken Lay's parents.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:54+00 by: Larry Burton

?!? What? For having him or for raising him with no soul? I think I'm missing something here.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:54+00 by: topspin

The story of Bush family echoes that of the Kennedy clan. The politics are polar, but the power and money are present in both families.

Besides, the antics of the Bush kids are from women..... and Republicans don't groom women for serious political positions. They can still marry well, home school (or use a voucher to an appropriate [read: lily-white, Christian] school,) and look damn good on camera when their brother/father/uncle/cousin wins some election. That's what good Republican girls do, isn't it?

As for Walker, I'll be glad when his 15 minutes are up. Okay, he took up arms against his country.... and this is something so unbelieveable? Do the names Huey, Sara Jane, or Peltier ring a bell? Put the boy in jail and be done with it.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:55+00 by: DaveP

The politics are polar? How so? You've got one clan of left-wing socialists, and another of right-wing socialists. Or substitute plutocrats if socialist strikes you wrong.

Bush gets money from Enron. Kennedy gets money from Verizon. Compare the paymasters: http://www.opensecrets.org/pol...cians/contrib.asp?CID=N00000308& cycle=2002 vs http://www.opensecrets.org/2000elect/contrib/P00003335.htm

Or check the Common Cause Soft Money Laundromat for more information.

#Comment made: 2002-02-21 05:34:55+00 by: Dan Lyke

Larry, I if people are going to ascribe any sort of evil to his parents or to Marin County for John Walker Lindh's actions, then we need to find the childhood home of Ken Lay, nuke it to glass, and salt the earth. We haven't seen evil on that level since H.P. Lovecraft died, or at least since Pixelon[Wiki] folded.

Speaking of which, have you seen how Linda Lay is unclear on the concept of "There's nothing left"?