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The lure of scum

2004-03-24 22:25:43.623244+00 by meuon 4 comments

Had an interesting morning, met with the owner of a '1 to infinity' gifting (MLM-ish) site and e-marketeer. He needs a new system, a little database work and some changes made to evolve and 'stay legal'. He also sells and uses 'marketing databases' and teaches his downstream to use 'stealth mailers' and similiar techniques to recruit prospects. Claims to have made 200k+ last year. But can barely afford to pay for the development of his next system. Searching for his domain name (I'm keeping him anonymous for my own protection), finds lots of spammish e-mails pointing back to his site and it's cloned/replicated derivitives...

And then, while I was toying with doing it anyway (it is potentially good paying work, after all), Nancy e-mailed me an e-mail that contained: "..authoritative enough to defend what is true & just." - It was the clincher.

After spending years working on the 'white hat' side of the 'net, some things just aren't worth any amount of money. Adding my level of internet related technical, e-commerce, business and database expertise to the scummy underside of the 'net would make me feel like a barnacle, and right now life is too good to play with the large shipload of bad karma this thing has.

It was interesting hearing it from his perspective. But all of a sudden I need to take a bath.

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#Comment Re: made: 2004-03-25 02:04:01.932015+00 by: ghasty

Gee, Mike...I know a certain group out of Utah that could use your talents <grin>

Congrats on staying white hat...and keeping the good karma

#Comment Re: made: 2004-03-25 14:03:18.391058+00 by: ziffle

hhhmmm - three years ago a customer had me host a site for him - it seemed shady but I could not definitivly say it was illegal - he was mailing out US mail and having them respond via the web site for low cost credit cards.

I started getting calls from people in Arizona, etc. -- I called the BBB and they reported many complaints -- I then shut down the web site and called the FBI - yes, me calling[Wiki] the FBI -- they came out and I told them the situation --

I did not want to be mixed in as part of the crime -- well, last week, three years later, I received a subpeona to appear in court as a witness for[Wiki] the district attorneys office - 82,000 counts of fraud one for each US Mail sent?) (plus various other nice violations) against a local attorney !

Looking back I am so glad I dropped out of that loop as soon as I knew something was up.

Ziffle - ah the excitment in Mayberry...

#Comment Re: made: 2004-03-25 16:56:38.044607+00 by: meuon

Hey.. I was approached by that group in Utah, they were paying 2 cents a click plus commisions from hotels reservations. Laughing.. I had fun with them for a few days, blew them away with what I knew, got offered a job, and then told them why I knew so much: The phone went: Click. - Laughing my anal pore off.

#Comment Re: made: 2004-03-27 01:44:23.079369+00 by: ghasty

hehe...so now our Utah buddies know who the mystery man is...funny