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Boxer steps up

2005-01-06 20:24:27.27798+00 by Dan Lyke 9 comments

Yowza! So some of you may have been aware that there were some... "voting irregularities" in this past election in Ohio. Remember all the members of the Congressional Black Caucus trying to find a Senator to help them follow procedure in filing an objection to Florida's electors back in 2000? Well, it looks like Barbara Boxer has stepped up to the podium this year, which means that... well... the House and the Senate will each take two hours out, come back, and certify the votes.

But good on ya, Barbara Boxer[Wiki], for at least being willing to make the Senate look that much less stupid in Michael Moore[Wiki]'s next film.

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#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-06 22:48:58.759668+00 by: ziffle

Well -- it's funny -- I am not a Republican but I don't think they would alter votes to alter an election. On the other hand I am sure some Democrats would if they could. So when I see someone like Barbara Boxer standing on principle it - well causes me to stop and ask myself how could she live with herself at all especially in this way. Amazing.

At the root of it is the desire to remove the electoral college completely. This is the goal - it wrankles them to think that 'democracy' was thwarted.

This falcious concept of 'democracy' has been inserted into our school system for so long that you actually have Presidents using it as a core value - puke... Our system is not and never was and never should be a 'democracy' - aka 'mob rule' - its a representative republic.

The electoral college was created to entice the smaller states to join in. Based upon that they have. I am sure they would leave if we take away the electoral college, as they should. I mean who wants to have a country run like California anyway?


#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-07 17:37:13.068768+00 by: Dan Lyke

From a motive standpoint I've always figured that the Republocrats and the Demicans are pretty interchangeable, but from a means and opportunity perspective the Republicans pretty much have it right now in terms of vote fraud. I don't expect that they actually got away with enough to reverse Ohio, but given how widespread the accusations are I think it would be foolish of the Senate to try to sweep it under.

Especially since pretty much everyone agrees that Gore really won Florida in 2k, unless you play the technicalities of "he only asked for recounts in these areas".

But really, that's moot, 'cause it was so close to a tie that it really doesn't matter who "won", and I'm reminded once again that hitching a horse to a political party is a bad idea, it's all about issues advertising.

And, yeah, despite the fact that I may have issues with the short-term effects of the Republicans in power I'm generally a fan of the electoral college. It's the only way we'll ever have any inroads by third parties.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-07 21:37:23.172404+00 by: ziffle [edit history]

I don't know of anyone (other than those here) who really thinks Gore won in Florida. What he tried to do was steal the election. He was the one that tried to stop the overseas armed forces from voting actually.

Historically its been the Democrats who try and rig elections - Chicago - Daley --- 1960 Kennedy as examples.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-08 01:10:12.476776+00 by: Dan Lyke


#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-09 00:12:50.885371+00 by: ziffle

uuhhh - it was Kenneddy that rigged the election against nixion in 1960 - or do I misunderstand 'cough' language...

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-09 00:47:09.025531+00 by: Dan Lyke

The whole purpose of the Watergate break-in was influencing the election.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-09 19:02:15.578825+00 by: ziffle

Rigging by vote changing/inserting etc. is different to me than the breakin which was to find out their plans IRRC.

It seems to me the Republicans got there butts kicked enough orver Watergate that it does not appear to me that they would stuff ballot boxes. And Boxer was a close personal friend of Clintons which makes verything she might do very suspect and political.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-24 19:18:00.983491+00 by: Dan Lyke [edit history]

Well, it certainly seems like some Democrats got caught red-handed in this last election, slashing tires on vans that Republicans had rented to transport voters and election monitors in Wisconsin.

#Comment Re: made: 2005-01-26 03:08:09.367649+00 by: Larry Burton

Now I thought it was the Republicans who were the ones that tried to supress voter turnout among the minorities while it was the democrats that handed out the get out the vote money and drove busses of voters to the polls to vote. It sounds like maybe the roles got reversed here.