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2005-05-24 19:51:53.195642+00 by Dan Lyke 2 comments

A couple of people have sent me this New York Times article about deaths by torture of prisoners in Afghanistan. I've been trying to come up with some coherent commentary about current U.S. policy, and it hasn't happened, so here's some incoherent rambling, and if anyone wants to have a political discussion this is as good a place as any to hang it.

The main conclusion I've come to from articles like these is that there's enough similarity in reports from disparate regions, and reports of "extraordinary rendition" and other applications of torture, that we can safely conclude that Lynndie England and her cohorts at Abu Ghraib were not acting on their own accord, and that the use of torture does go up some chain of command and across some common teaching system.

And that our commander in chief needs to stop sticking his fingers in his ears and hollering "lalala I can't hear you lalala" and take a strong moral stand.

One of the secondary conclusions is that whether or not Newsweek is caving under pressure in retracting their story, flushing a Koran down the toilet is not torture, and if we cave to people who complain about symbolic gestures like that then we start down a slippery slope.

But on that strong moral stand thing, I guess we're not going to get it from someone who's can't keep his own morality straight:

"I made it very clear to the Congress that the use of federal money, taxpayers' money to promote science which destroys life in order to save life is - I'm against that. And therefore, if the bill does that, I will veto it.''

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#Comment Re: made: 2005-05-25 13:46:33.167356+00 by: BC

From what I have gathered from several articles written on this topic, there can be no doubt this is not a low level problem or order. Bush appears to have little control (or awareness) over the movements within his administration. I have come to the conclusion long ago that Bush is but a pawn in this hegemonic quest, grateful just to be able to live in the Big House the way his mommy and daddy did.

#Comment I don't mean to get off on a rant, here made: 2005-05-27 23:12:06.42458+00 by: baylink

Oh hell; yes I do:

"Destroying life to save life".

I'm not much for hyperLiberal reactions to Reactionary Right expostulations...

but if I hear *that* particular piece of bollocks again, i'm going to put the person who says it up against a wall with an M-16, and *force* them to deliver, raise, and pay for the child that results from the left over fertility-clinic embryo *that was going in the trash otherwise, anyway*.

Even if they're male, as they almost always are.