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Trump on Proud Boys

2020-09-30 21:29:35.670591+00 by Dan Lyke 6 comments

What a fucking dissembling liar. Trump says he doesn't know who Proud Boys are after telling them to "stand by":

TRUMP: "I don't know who the Proud Boys are. You'll have to give me a definition because I really don't know who they are. I can only say they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work. ... As people see how bad this radical liberal Democrat movement is and how weak, the law enforcement is going to come back stronger and stronger. But again, I don't know who Proud Boys are, but whoever they are, they have to stand down and let law enforcement do their work.


...but again, I don't know who Proud Boys are, but whoever they are they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work. ...

Let's go to the transcript, where the first use of the word "proud" occurs at 42:18:

President Donald J. Trump: (42:10) What do you want to call them? Give me a name, give me a name, go ahead who do you want me to condemn.

Chris Wallace: (42:14) White supremacist and right-wing militia.

President Donald J. Trump: (42:18) Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. But I’ll tell you what somebody’s got to do something about Antifa and the left because this is not a right wing problem this is a left wing.

I don't know how we'd ever prove it, but if the phrase "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by" wasn't explicitly part of the debate prep, I'll eat my hat.

Jason Kottke has it right: The President Is a White Supremacist. And So Are You if You Support Him.

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#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-01 14:31:09.747062+00 by: TheSHAD0W

FTR The Proud Boys are a bounch of right-wingers who do get much too rowdy. But they aren't white supremacists. Did you know the leader is hispanic?

#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-01 15:53:05.006989+00 by: Dan Lyke [edit history]

Tell it to Trump, he's the one who brought up their name when asked to denounce white supremacists.

But, yeah, weaseling through definitions is one of the standard tactics abusers use.

#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-01 22:34:38.003594+00 by: TheSHAD0W [edit history]

You mean in the debate? Biden brought it up first. I heard it said. Just before that, Chris Wallace stated, "white supremacist and right-wing militia".

But the Kottke article jumps right to "white supremacist".

... And now I realized you omitted the line where Biden said "Proud Boys" from your excerpt of the transcript...

Edit: Oho! It was omitted from the original transcript! https://archive.fo/hsKW7

Edit again: Here's a more recent archived version of the transcript: https://archive.vn/wip/9Slx1

So, where did you hear that Trump brought up the Proud Boys?

#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-01 23:32:53.108041+00 by: Dan Lyke [edit history]

Yep, I just figured out that it depends on which transcript...

And I suspect that unless the general trajectory turns around, Enrique Tarrio is going to discover what Jews in Italy who supported Mussolini discovered.

#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-13 14:17:41.797732+00 by: TheSHAD0W


#Comment Re: Trump on Proud Boys made: 2020-10-14 17:06:14.627281+00 by: Dan Lyke

Yeah, it's the usual "oh, we don't fit into your ontology, take a closer look". Any student of history has seen it before, over and over and over again.


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